Yoga and Meditation Topic: Question to Samkya Yogis like Patanjali and Shankara

Article #404
Subject: Question to Samkya Yogis like Patanjali and Shankara
Author: DRAndrewWilliamHarrell
Posted: 12/23/2021 01:25:08 PM

This question is to my long time prayer friends swami brahmananada Saraswati,
vishnuDevanandaji,Shivanandaji, Chidananandaji.

Is this not a difference between Vedantic Hinduism and Christianity and Judaism...that we believe we
Christian Jews created the World out of nothing like it says in the Torah, the Book of Genesis, chapter 1,
He, YHWH Elohim[Himself and His Son Jesus] spoke it, part of it with the help of Jesus, and meditatively
conceived, Boray, imagined[while it hovered over the expanse of the void and the oceans, it out of nothing,
that is Bohu and Thou, darkness, chaos, and emptiness...... as this.

He let this self generated Light inside of darkness, Oir, manifest itself inside of Himself and Jesus, as
Jesus was also conceived, Borayed, born, in the image and likeness of Himself and Her 3000 years later in
various places in Israel, Her and some of the disciples and Joseph witnessing most of this.

Question for Hindu Yogi's and Vedantic Samkhya people...

If yourself, your Atlman, and your soul, Vishnu, as saint Shankara has taught you, is metaphysically
not created, conceived, "Borayed", but self generated, out of darkness, but not out of emptiness, how can
this Self,...you.. be Light inside of darkness, if not Light inside of emptiness and chaos, Bohu, and Thou?

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Article #405
Subject: further question to Shankara
Author: DRAndrewWilliamHarrell
Posted: 12/23/2021 02:16:11 PM

O, Divine form of Brahma, Rama, Vishnu, Krishna, Guru of the Gurus...
the people in your ashram in India, the Rama Krishnas and You say in your teaching of what the Atma Body
,Self Body, of us all is

"Swamis self is a river" [Swami Vishnu of Swami Sivanandajis Divine Life society]'
Swami Chidananda commenting on Divine Life society translations of Prasna Upanishad.


"The river of Atman is filled with the Divine River ganges, water of self-control;
truth is its current, righteous conduct its banks, and compassion its waves."

"By performing thousand sacrifices to a thousand Gods, by worshipping thirty
million Gods...." How is this self control for us Christian Jews if we worship
our One God YHWH and His One Son Jesus Christ this way?

Doesn't Our Old and New testament Torah and the Gospels of Jesus teach
that " IAM YHWH your God" as its first great commandment for all of us,
and "Do not make any graven images [Hindu idols for instance] having more than
2 dimensional pictures in them [we as orthodox Christian think its okay to to make a few, certainly less than
30 or so icons to place in worship services and venerate.

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Article #406
Subject: further questions
Author: DRAndrewWilliamHarrell
Posted: 12/23/2021 02:44:47 PM

I don't need to ask this question to swami's sivananda, chidananda, and vishnudevananda because they
understand the metaphysics of the basis of it I think form already having discussed it with them in prayer
communion both before and after their death and rebirth in Jesus Christ.

Atma Bodhi verse 40
'He who has attained the Supreme Goal discards all such objects as name and form, and dwells[only, my
words as a clarification] as the embodiment of Infinit consciousness and Bliss."

All Christians and many Jews I think like the Christian Jew my prayer friend Dr. Mortimer Adler, believe that
in our new resurreciton body we do not discard name and form [ie concepts] in this new glorified body
where we live forever in an eternal realized spiritual, mental, and physical present day time praying with
and talking with YHWH God YHWH Jesus and all His Apostles and Saints, in heavenly eternal communion
and happy, peaceful, joyful Divine and Human Truth coexisting together forever.

For as so we believe at many times in this present life, during Passover Easter, Christmas and most of the
other Jewish Christian and Christian Jewish holidays the Holy Spirit of YHWH God's Only Son ascending
and descending up to and back down from the cross carrying us as the Good Shepherd , taking us with
Him as He leads us forward into peaceful green pastures to dwell with him in His many mansions of glory
[ourselves] down here on earth. that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit entering our souls at this time , wisdom,
spiritual understanding, love, faith, hope, patience, integrity, knowledge, Kingship toward being able to
service in Christ to others.. that these gifts, conceptual, and concepual with ever increasing Divine
conceptual meaning cannot be discarded... as well as knowledge of our salvation, redemption, justification,
sanctification in Christ in this heaven, on this earth, once saved, always saved as it were and my Baptist
great grandfather taught and still teaches... I am sorry if you don't like it, deal with it friends.

Andrew

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Article #407
Subject: Christmas thoughts about Jesus' new birth in us this year
Author: DRAndrewWilliamHarrell
Posted: 12/23/2021 06:44:20 PM

As I write this I AM praying with all of us praying together, my Sanskrit prayer friends, some of whom
believe in Jesus and some not I guess, my Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist, Catholic prayer friends most of
whom do, my Jewish prayer friends some of whom believe in Him as God and some not,so..
...
As we celebrate rebirth in humanity this Christmas of God’s only Son YHWH Jesus I hope we all keep in
mind that He is more who we want Him to be that any factual person that has already lived...although it is
important He is also that factual person, that very real historical factual saviour, the Lord YHwH God and
Christ, long time, and still alive friend of mine, and still alive as Hinself& you &me.

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Article #408
Subject: Can we see the Lord Jesus inside of us inside of ourself as a Holy Spirit
Author: DRAndrewWilliamHarrell
Posted: 12/28/2021 05:29:43 PM

Question, Can we see our One God YHWH, the same person who said to Saint Moses when we gave him
the first commandment,...Be still and know "I AM YHWH,your God, there is no other, inside of you" Can we
see his Only Son, the same unique God, the Lord Jesus, YHWH Jesus, as it indwells Itself inside of us as a
Holy Spirit, after we have been praying with Him, or maybe just when we die and are saved and go to
Heaven to meet Him, or maybe even now before we die?

Our Samkyha teacher Adi Shankaracharya thought so I think, if you study his teaching, 'Upadesa
Sahari'...or limitations of our thoughts while they are in the top heavenly Brahma Loka the Sahasrahara.

This a companion text to his "Self Knowledge" which we have just been quoting from and which expands
on his recommended methods, both through faith [repetition of mantras, using sound or nada Yoga to
learn about both phenomenal and nominal[starting outside of experience] knowledge of the Divine and
also spaced or metrical divided [mathematical, scientific knowledge].

Chapter 12 verses 1,2,3 on the enlightening [tejasi] and measuring knowledge parts that speaking the
Sanskrit word OM with it divided as AUM type knowledge culminating in transcendental Truth Satyam from
Ritam, turiya, Brahma loka self realization knowledge.

"The Self gets identified with whatever is seen in the World," "But, when it is reflected in God's emptiness
inside of emptiness inside of you and Jesus Christ, who is the Word, the Logos part of YHWH's actions... it
is Self enlightening, not needing any sense impression thoughts to create it..hence if you confess your sins
and admit that you by your own actions cannot know Him, YHWH God and Jesus Christ this way, then they,
God can know this for you, nominally, not phenomenally, or so Saint Sankaracharya and I believe.

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Article #409
Subject: self generating Jesus Christ inside of YHWH ,saint Mary and me, Andrew, a Man of YHWH GOD
Author: DRAndrewWilliamHarrell
Posted: 12/28/2021 08:21:36 PM

SO, OM, AUM, SOHUM, SOHUAN, AHUMMM TO SUM IT ALL UP SO FAR.

IF I WANTED TO BE YHWH BRAHMA,VISHNU, RAMA, KRISHNA, SHIVA-SARASWATI
ACCORDING TO SHANKARA'S SELF GENERATIVE SELF KNOWLEDGE TEACHING,
THE PRACTICE MANTRA WOULD BE, I GUESS, I SUPPOSE

OM SHANTUM, SHIVAM, ADVAITUM,
SHANTUM,SHAMBU, SHAMBALAYA,
SHANTUM, SHIVAM, ADVAITUM.
OM TAT SAT.
SHANTI, SHANTI, SHANTI.

HAIL YHWH, HAIL MARY, HAIL JESUS,
YHWH SHAMMAH (BE PRESENT)
YHWH YIREH (BE SEEN)
YHWH ABRAHAM, ISAAC (YHWH BE HEARD), JACOB (YHWH
HANG ON, STICK AROUND),
YHWH MOSES (BE WHO YOU ARE AND IAM)
YHWH JOSHUA (YHWH SAVE),
YHWH ELIJAH(YHWH RAPHAEL, YHWH HEALS),
YHWH EL SHADDAI (YHWH BE STRONG),

YHWH HARI RAM, OM YHWH, YHWH OM, YHWH HARI RAM MARY, YHWH YHWH HARI RAM MARY AND
JESUS, YHWH HARI RAM OM,AUM, AIM(SO I AM)
TAT SAT,
IS THAT RIGHT, I WONDER?

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Article #410
Subject: prayer to God and myself
Author: DRAndrewWilliamHarrell
Posted: 12/28/2021 10:58:19 PM

Christian Jewish Christmas New Years prayer for us...."Lord YHWH indwelling me as a Holy Spirit, please
help me see what your Son YHWH Jesus sees, and hear what He hear indwelling me[us] as a Holy Spirit.

Lord YHWH may your Son Lord Jesus now born with Saint Mary's help this Christmas indwelling my Divine
Self, your Holy Spirit indwelling guide me forward during the New Year in paths of righteousness and Truth


Lord YHWH may the mind and intellect of your Son YHWH Jesus, indwelling me as a Holy Spirit this
Christmas and New Year be able to know its Divine Self by means of its human self, my soul indwelling as a
Holy Spirit in His soul.

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Article #411
Subject: Jesus Christ is sarkaryavada metaphysics
Author: DRAndrewWilliamHarrell
Posted: 12/29/2021 09:50:38 AM

In constrast to Adi Shankaracharya Brahma, self-realization metaphysics, what is called in Hinduism.
vivartvada, the cause being contained in the effect,

We Christian Jews believe in the Hindu Saint
Ramanuja satkaryavada metaphysics where the effect, the result of the indwelling Divine Self as Our One
Creator God Brahma [YHWH] produced by the cause may be different depending on the choices the free
will as the Divine Self, Jesus Christ[the mental and intellectual Concept of the Concept of the Name of God
YHWH, YHWH YHWH] indwelling as a Holy Spirit can make.

This is why we say, "When YHWH God is One, the supernounmenal pure absolute consciousness of His
Truth is One...But, when YHWH God as Christ, the mental and intellectual Concept of a Concept of Himself,
His Name is Two, His Truth is Two,

Then, when YHWH God as Christ is Three as yourself Indwelling yourself as a Holy Spirit His Truth is Truly
yourself and Him together as you.

This seems to contradict what Jesus has said, "I and my Father are One," But, it is what His Father has
said back to Him after He has talked to him about it, He Jesus Christ being then Himself, both humans and
Divine indwelling all of us as a Holy Spirit, born, immaculately conceived of the Virgin Mary with both
YHWH God's and His Only Son's Jesus', existing already in the Father, and with the help of His Father, self-
generating with both of their's and Saint Mary's suggestions and help

This is what I believe, that we believe as a little mathematical theology which we Christina jews call the
Apostle's Creed.

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Article #412
Subject: Amy Grant and my prayer song
Author: DRAndrewWilliamHarrell
Posted: 12/29/2021 02:48:46 PM

"If I could see that YHWH God and the angels see, If I could hear what Jesus Christ hears, I would know
that God is near." Amy Grant song

I'd see that love will conquer hate.

If I could know what YHWH God, Jesus and the angels know,''

that death's goodbye is love's hello.

If I could stand where YHWH God, Jesus, Saint Andrew, James stand.
watch the world while YHWH God and Christ command

and see how love designed this plan,
If I could stand.

and let the Truth set me free,
I'd live this life differently,
If I could stand and see.

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